Love right-to-work and low wages? Indiana is the place. Pence is the guy.


Whenever Republican Governor Bruce Rauner and his legislative supporters (like Ron Sandack) talk up their Turnaround Agenda of low corporate taxes and right-to-work, they love talking about how great Indiana is.

They’re right.

If you love having the right to collective bargaining taken away and shitty wages, Indiana is the place.

Crain’s reports that with Republican’s Mitch Daniels and Mike Pence as governors, Indiana has the lowest wages of any state in the mid west.

Illinois has the highest.

Low wages are what Rauner, Pence and Trump call a “business-friendly climate.”

Of course low wages are business friendly.  Unless the business wants to have customers who earn enough money to buy things.

One of the reason’s wages are low is that Mike Pence’s Indiana is a Right-to-Work state.

Oneof the reasons Illinois’ wages are the highest in the mid west is that Illinois is a union state.

That’s how it works.

4 Replies to “Love right-to-work and low wages? Indiana is the place. Pence is the guy.”

  1. That’s why other states are attracting new jobs, because Illinois has the highest wages.
    You can bitch all you want about the pols, but they cannot attract industrial jobs.
    Wonder why? Unions, tort law, public debt, poor schools etc. etc.

    Don’t forget Fred that the white collar exec jobs generally do not require massive investment in buildings and infrastructure that manufacturing does. White collar rent offices and can move readily, consequently the manufacturing goes elsewhere.

    1. Dear Anonymous,
      “You can bitch all you want about the pols, but they cannot attract industrial jobs.
      Wonder why? Unions, tort law, public debt, poor schools etc. etc.”

      Like the State income tax, Illinois has a very low corporate tax rate, plus cities and towns provide all kinds of tax give-a-ways to corporations. By the way, these give-a-ways are at our expense, yours, Anonymous, and mine. Tort law, public debt, unions are at very best secondary considerations, if at all. Poor schools in Illinois? Hello!!! Ever been in places like Mississippi or rural Indiana?! States get into these asinine corporate bidding wars against each other which ultimately hurts them and their towns, even if big corporations decide to locate there. Ideally, the states ought to band together and do away with the all the give-a-ways, but that’s a pipe dream.

      In 2010, Navistar, formerly International Harvester, wanted to move its diesel testing plant from, of all places, Fort Wayne, Indiana, to Illinois. The site the company chose was the huge, vacant Alcatel-Lucent facility on the corner of Naperville and Warrenville Roads in Lisle. The property is also part of the I-88 Tech Corridor. The State of Illinois, DuPage County, and the town of Lisle fell all over themselves to give away the store in tax breaks and other incentives to the giant corporation. Navistar got a great deal.

      One could have easily questioned the reasons and the amount of these give-a-ways, but no one raised that issue. Unions, from bricklayers to pipe fitters, and everything in between wanted Navistar for the jobs the company would provide. The deal seemed like a win for the pro-Navistar side. Navistar also wanted three acres of additional land from DuPage County’s Danada Forest Preserve which the Forest Preserve Board was ready and willing to do, though such a sale of forest preserve land was prohibited by law.

      Navistar wanted the location very badly. It was perfect for the company and its employees, most of whom would be transferred from Fort Wayne to Lisle. The bulk of these employees were high income managers and engineers. Good schools (with union teachers) and, in general, amenities like decent housing, good roads, shopping, and recreation in DuPage County were big considerations.

      Opposition to Navistar came from groups of private citizens, environmental organizations, members of a neighboring school for autistic children, and even some local politicians, like a member of the DuPage County Board. Contentious hearings took place with the focus primarily on the amount of environmental damage this plant would cause within a fifty mile radius. Lawyers who represented the opposition managed to delay the construction to the point of forcing Navistar to withdraw it plans.

      If the opposition had not fought as hard and bitterly as it did, Navistar would now be in Lisle. Instead, Navistar chose a secondary location in Alabama. Why didn’t Navistar choose Alabama in the first place? Why did Navistar leave Indiana?

  2. You’re right. With a job growth nearly ten percent, no collective bargaining and the lowest wage growth in the mid west, you have defined “business-friendly” right. And they’re not done. By the time they are finished, Indiana will be a minimum wage state, meaning every worker will be paid minimum wage. That is the Trump/Pence economic plan. And Rauner’s.

  3. As Fred pointed out, if companies want consumers to purchase, use, or invest in their products, they have to be able to afford them. A minimum wage worker can’t even afford to purchase the least expensive automobile on the market. They consider themselves lucky if they can pay the rent and have enough left over for a couple of bags of groceries.

    Manufacturers depend on the middle class to purchase, use, or invest in their products. The bigger the middle class, the better off the economy is. The richest people in the US can only buy so many pairs of jeans, appliances, or electronics. They can only drive one car, wear one pair of name brand gym shoes, or cook on one stove at a time. The middle class drives the economy. Simple. Pay them fairly and everyone else on the hierarchy benefits.

    Yes, I am a union member. I make a decent wage due to the dedication and diligence of the union members that came before me. Every worker in the U.S. owes a debt of gratitude to the unions. The forty hour work week, overtime pay, and safe working conditions are a result of the work of the unions. We need unions more now than ever before. If you don’t want to join, don’t. Don’t take the wage increase the union bargained for all the workers. Try negotiating that raise yourself. If your employer accuses you of malfeasance, get your own attorney to represent you. If the union successfully bargains a longer vacation for the workers, don’t take the extra time off. Thankfully, a union member will not have to go it alone when times get tough. Union, yes!!!!

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