The dust hasn’t settled on the pension deal.

Yesterday was a wild day here at fredklonsky.com

I have never received so many comments. Many of them extended and passionate.

3,000 site visits. Nearly 100 comments.

Two people were supportive of the We Are One coalition’s concession. All the rest were critical.

Of course, my readership is somewhat self-selecting.

But again, Kudos to brother Bob Haisman. Bob and I are long-time activists for our union (Bob has a few years on me).

We have locked horns before. More often we have fought on the same side. But Bob doesn’t run from a fight and he has made himself visible in defense of the pension deal. Which is more than can be said for the actual elected leadership of the IEA who struck this awful mess of a deal in the first place.

I thought there were some too-personal attacks made on brother Haisman yesterday. I posted them, because I try to be the not-Charlie McBarron, Director of Communications for the IEA. Unlike McBarron, I may err in favor of more open debate than in a lock-down on discussion.

But I ask that readers keep the discussion civil without getting into personal attacks. Especially on me.  Save that for the real enemies.

Of course, personal attacks are fair game when it comes to them.

Good news comes from Jim Bachman, Executive Director of the Illinois Retired Teachers Association. I am a member of both IEA – Retired and the IRTA.

The Springfield State Journal-Register:

IRTA executive director Jim Bachman called the changes “clearly unconstitutional.”

“The legislation may be less draconian than the bill sent over last week by the House of Representatives, but it still fails the test of constitutionality,” Bachman said in Tuesday’s statement. “If our organization sits back without a fight and allows changes to the spirit of our state’s laws governing enforceable contracts, then no agreement will ever again be safe from arbitrary dissolution under the law.”

Bachman noted the IRTA created a legal defense fund last year to be used to challenge pension legislation it believed to be unconstitutional.

The IRTA represents about 35,000 people. The state Teachers Retirement System said it has about 95,000 retired members.

Cullerton said the union-backed bill is a better alternative to a reform plan passed by the House last week because public employee labor unions vowed not to sue if their compromise is enacted. The unions have threatened to try and block the House plan in court if it becomes law.

The Illinois Education Association negotiated with Cullerton on the compromise plan. IEA spokesman Charles McBarron said the union believes the plan is constitutional because it gives workers a choice. He also said it was reasonable to include both active and retired workers in the plan.

Look for the IRTA to go to court if either SB1 or SB2404 is passed and signed by the governor. You might want to send a check to their legal defense fund.

My blogging pal Glen Brown and I will be the featured speakers at next week’s luncheon of the North Lake Shore Chapter of the IRTA.

8 thoughts on “The dust hasn’t settled on the pension deal.

  1. Yes according to McBarron, we have a choice of how tight the hangman’s noose will be!  

  2. Illinois is the Wild West. Judges and lawmakers and Quinn they do this cause they can crooked crooked crooked!

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  3. I fully understand everybody’s anger and resentment. In fact, neither any of you nor your unions actually have any say in the outcome. It is not collective bargaining when unions work with legislators to arrive at an agreed upon bill. None of you get to vote. It is not a union contract. What the unions have done is give Senators an alternative to voting yes on SB 1 which many have said they would do if there were no alternative bill.
    Few of you are lawyers. Be very careful about waving the constitution and screaming about your “guarantees”. There are no guarantees. You will be very fortunate if all that happens to you is SB 2404. That’s the reality. Reality sucks, but there it is.
    One thing you can vote for or against is your leadership and your affiliation. Vote them out if you want. It won’t make any difference in the outcome of this battle. It could very easily make things worse.
    I think the unions cut as good a deal on SB 2404 as they could get. I’m glad there were there. I’m glad that they had the courage to tune out the noise and do their jobs. They are heroes.

  4. Didn’t see the too-personal attacks on Bob…but Bob has been emailing (sometimes daily) and the IEA has been emailing and calling to say ” call, email and or write your legislator and ask/tell them not to support any bill that is not supported by the IEA/Unions”. This in it self if followed by the rank and file seems to have empowered the leadership to negotiate and bargain our provisions away. In this case they chose what they believe to be the less of two evils.   If I recall correctly, Bob for the most part early on was saying don’t settle for any bill that diminishes pensions!!! Seems that perspective has changed!!   Curtis      

    1. Fred and Curtis — Attacks on me? REALLY? I had not noticed!! I have learned over my history with the IEA to …” to suffer The Slings and Arrows of outrageous (Comments and Criticism) Fortune” pretty well. I wasn’t bothered by any personal attacks if there were any! ANYWAY!! LOL! Klonsky remember I had to put up with you — at Two RA’s a year — for six years — that toughened me up — steeled me to face a few ….”slings and arrows”!

      As far as Haisman shifting positions — I have been a Pension and member advocate — since the 1980 IEA Representative Assembly — with my first IEA New Business item involving pensions through my Presidency till today — an unshaken advocate for teachers and our pension system and benefits. I do not want to see any diminishing of our benefits.
      I worked during my Presidency to historically strengthen benefits and the TRS System — in the real world of the political scrum of Springfield — not some coffee table debating society! . I remain a strong advocate for a strong TRS System. I have not changed my position. I’m a realist and a pragmatist, I don’t cling to positions without ever re-evaluating conditions and new environments. I have to admit I’m not bright enough to formulate positions that I do not need to review and adjust as the world and political realities change around us.

      I disagree with the IRTAs Maginot Line theory of defense. It makes members feel good….for a while. It sounds good. It makes for heroic sound bites! Thundering into the wilderness “I will never surrender – Never!” As the tanks go around your set defensive positions and the new invention – airplanes – fly over you making you Irrelevant!

      The IRTA has done many good things mobilizing it membership to respond to legislative assaults. The IRTA has an advantage that it can focus like a laser on retirement issues.

      However have any of you “sling and arrow” guys asked why then wasn’t the IRTA given the center chair at pension discussions?

      If the IRTA was so effective wouldn’t President Cullerton insist they be “at the table”?

      bob haisman , IEA-R member

  5. Once again, the IRTA chose not to be at the table giving away Constitutionally protected benefits. A choice to give up one right you have or another is a coerced situation, not consideration in any sense of thar legal concept.

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