Bob and Pat on the TRAIL.

Dear Robert, Fred,

I just wanted to report in on my experiences with TRAIL options and information for those of us affected in DuPage county.  We have two choices, UnitedHealthCare Group Medicare Advantage PPO and the second is the TRAIL Humana Health Plan HMO.

For decades many of us have had BC/BS HMO Illinois beginning when we were working and then through TRIP in retirement.  Apparently that will be gone.  Experience of my colleagues in that plan has been good even when the health problems were dire.  Many of us went from it being Glen Ellyn Clinic decades ago to DuPage Medical Group and were satisfied.  So I am interested to see if TRAIL Humana Health Plan HMO might be a comparable replacement.

I was expecting information from them this week.  Not receiving anything, I called them yesterday.  They said that “UPS will deliver information tomorrow.”  In the mean time, I asked about a few providers, such as:  is DuPage Medical Group in the network?  Can’t really answer.  Go online (many retirees are not connected, why call if they can’t answer?).  They said it will be in the mailed information.

So I called TRAIL Humana late today to tell them I have received nothing again.  They now report I may not receive anything until as late as November 19.  Then some excuses about Veteran’s day as if they didn’t know the 11th was Veterans Day weeks in advance.  So then I said, it appears as if Humana doesn’t really want the business TRAIL represents.  Why get a contract from the State of Illinois and then provide such terrible service when we haven’t even signed up yet?  The State of Illinois already knocked out Health Alliance which underbid all others for providing healthcare for downstate retirees and had long been their provider.

From Capitolfax:

http://capitolfax.com/2013/10/24/something-just-doesnt-seem-right-here/

* Insurance giant Health Alliance claims it seriously under bid all of its competitors to provide Medicare Advantage for thousands of Downstate public employee retirees

* So, why was the company disqualified? State experience requirements

Health Alliance spokeswoman Jane Hayes said the contract selections are puzzling, “because we’re often seen as too expensive.”

“Of course, they probably didn’t even look at the pricing, because we were thrown out on a technicality that the (state) chief procurement officer could have waived,” Hayes said.

The technical requirement Health Alliance didn’t meet pertained to experience administering large-member Medicare Advantage contracts.

The state required insurance vendors seeking the Medicare Advantage contracts to show they have at least five years’ experience administering Medicare Advantage plans — plus at least three years’ experience administering Medicare Advantage plans for at least one employer with a minimum 1,000 participants enrolled. Bidders also needed to show they had at least one year’s experience administering a Medicare Advantage plan for a government employer with at least 500 participants.

It would be upsetting for these downstate retirees as getting care in a rural area often means fewer providers and often many miles away to their doctor and now they have only one choice UnitedHealthCare PPO.

In DuPage County location is not a problem.  Providers are down the street and UPS is in the next suburb.  This adds to the mystery of Humana’s incompetence.  Why bother making sure the bidders have “at least five years’ experience administering Medicare Advantage plans” when already they can’t get information to TRIP-TRAIL retirees.  And the sender is UPS.  DuPage county is not Siberia.  UPS and the postal service are very reliable at delivery and have huge centers in Carol Stream and Lombard.  So the problem is Humana who apparently has the bid because of their experience and they can’t deliver.

Patricia Herrmann

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Pat,

Your concerns were raised at the TRS meeting in Schaumburg on Wednesday by one questioner.  If there was a good response, I did not hear it.

Interestingly, my neighbor received her Humana packet yesterday, but she is not in TRIP.

Lastly, in part at least because of pricing, I don’t know of a single person who is any longer considering Humana.  Questions raised in the forums I have attended have almost exclusively focused on the PPO.

Bob Zahniser

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UPDATED.

Pat,

The CMS meeting in Buffalo Grove this morning was standing room only.  While UHC had a large presence (CMS ran the meeting), Humana was nowhere to be seen.  Again, questions were 99% focused on UHC with seemingly very little interest in Humana.
In addition to Senator Morrison and Representative Drury, Representative Nekritz was present and at meeting this morning.  When introduced, she was booed.
Bob

 

10 thoughts on “Bob and Pat on the TRAIL.

  1. This is a Webcast of a presentation regarding State Health Insurance Choices for UIC Retirees. The information is useful for all state retirees faced with TRAIL. It provides more information than anything I’ve heard or read thus far. I wish that I had found it sooner:
    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/40478327

  2. I’m just having a hard time believing that this $47 policy is equivalent to the $208 policy we have now. This doesn’t happen in the real world. Not to mention my apprehensions of how this may change my Medicare coverage. . . .

    1. You should not just believe anything. You should attend the meetings. Ask the questions. We asked the question of the premium cost of Rich Frankenfeld at our SORE meeting. I believe he answered it by pointing out the change in the state subsidy and by the transfer of savings from Medicare to TRAIL. But you must ask the questions.

      1. Attended a CMS session this week. All of the emphasis is on saving money–the state saving money; retirees saving money. Almost no mention of health care services.

        Still can not get a straight answer about access to doctors in the Unitedhealthcare PPO. When a rep says that you can see any Medicare approved doctor who is willing to accept payment from UHC (or you can get reimbursed), this raises all kinds of questions. Why are they not simply saying you can see any Medicare approved doctor? And apparently some Mayo clinics are refusing to see UHC patients? Who else will not see us?

        Also by the “out of cycle” start date of February 1, we will have to deal with 3 different deductibles–the deductible in our current plan, the original Medicare deductible beginning in January, and the one with our new plan starting in February. The only way to avoid that is to not go to the doctor in January. Some people may not be able to do that.

        As people attend other CMS meetings, we should be raising these issues. The only way any of this is going to change is if we make it uncomfortable for CMS and Quinn.

      2. Rich, On the website, it says, ” If you enroll in the UnitedHealthcare plan, you do not have to see a provider who accepts the UnitedHealthcare plan. However, the provider must participate in Medicare. The overwhelming majority of providers in Illinois and across the nation are Medicare providers and participate in Medicare Advantage plans.”
        Apparently, the patient can see a doctor who does not accept UHC PPO, but the doctor does not have to see the patient.
        Can someone explain this?

      1. Thanks, L. Sheldon. I did watch most of the video. We still need more info from CMS. Maybe the CMS-Naperville meeting I’ll be attending will fill me in more.

    2. Shirley, I am seriously considering opting out of the state Advantage PPO plan–after much research & watching the Webcast. I can get a Medigap Plan F (no out of pocket) plus Plan D prescription for around $150 a month. That’s less than I was paying for TCHP (Cigna). I have no health issues but I want peace of mind. The Webcast raises the question of Guarantee Issue which is very disturbing–will a letter of termination from the state say that you were dropped from the state program or that you chose to leave. Apparently the IL Insurance Law of 2012 states that in order to get Guarantee Issue, supplemental benefits have to have ceased. Does going to an Advantage Program constitute a “cease”. That is a problem & apparently no one can get an answer to that question. I doubt that CMS will have any answers for you at the Naperville meeting, but make sure that you report. I wish that I had your email.

  3. Another problem is that many good doctors don’t take united health care, or anything with united health care in the name. Trying to find new medical providers can be difficult, and sometimes even risky. So-so quality medical care on elderly retirees can lead to bad outcomes. Some retirees with complex medical conditions have had the same good doctors for many years. These doctors know them, their conditions, and know what medicines work best for them. Now many will be forced to take chances, and new doctors may not catch problems early on because they don’t know the patient.
    Under Medicare, retirees had rights to choose and change medical providers and stay with ones that did a good job. Now the Medicare benefit is paid to united health care, and they determine and restrict what and when a doctor can order tests, medicine, treatment, and specialists. It might work out OK if a retiree has no serious medical conditions, but if the retiree gets sick, avoidable bad outcomes are more likely to occur.
    I wonder if the CMS rollout disaster of the new plan is just a smokescreen to divert attention away from the changes/reductions in the new plan.

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