A colleague asks, “Why tax the rich?”

Fred,

Good speech as always. I am wondering why you believe the “rich” should be the ones to pay our pension? Don’t you think the state should follow through with THEIR promises instead of taking our money? Don’t you think our politicians need to look at government and see what went wrong there? I am concerned if we tax the rich more, they will not spend their money like we need them to. Some of them have also worked hard for their money. Why should they suffer for that? Personally, I would like to see the rich SPEND their money to boost our economy.

Just sayin’…….

-Joanie Heavey

Dear Joanie,

I’m glad you asked. Although we worked together for many years, it isn’t as if we frequently discussed tax policy. Sometimes I assume things that shouldn’t be assumed. And your questions give me an opportunity to explain why a progressive graduated income tax is essential to addressing the state’s economic problems.

“Don’t you think the state should follow through with THEIR promises instead of taking our money?” you asked.

Absolutely.

But where does the government get its money?

From taxes.

Illinois is one of those rare states that has what is called a flat income tax. That means that everyone, no matter how much they make, gets taxed at the same rate. But as you can imagine, if you only make $30,000 a year then 5% is a much bigger hit than if you make a million dollars a year.

5% of 30,000 leaves that person with $28,500, not counting federal and other taxes. 5% of a million leaves $950,000. Plus the rich are more able to take advantage of tax loopholes. Remember Mitt Romney’s federal taxes were only 13%. How does that compare to yours?

Most states and the federal government have a graduated income tax. Those who make more pay a higher percentage, although in my opinion not nearly high enough, than those who make less.

Not only is this fair but it also provides the state with the funds it need to provide the services we need. Not that there isn’t waste and thievery. The number of Illinois politicians in jail proves that.

Even so, the state’s low tax – low spending practice has meant closing mental health facilities, early  childhood centers, laying off state workers and, of course, our unfunded pension liability.

Illinois is one of the lowest spending and lowest taxing states in the country. And even though it spends so little on education and social services, it still doesn’t have enough money to pay its bills.

Your intuitive guess that if the rich weren’t taxed they would invest their money turns out not to be true. Lower taxes on the rich encourages them to either save their money or buy things for themselves. It is higher taxes that encourage the rich to invest in things that produce jobs. So a graduated income tax has the double benefit of helping the state meet its obligations and encourages the private sector to create jobs.

Back in the fifties, before the Reagan tax cuts for the rich, those in the top income bracket were taxed at 90% if they kept their money in bank accounts or bought yachts. Only by reinvesting their money could they avoid taxes, so they did.

And they still had enough left over to buy their yachts.

8 thoughts on “A colleague asks, “Why tax the rich?”

  1. Amen!! And the rich will take their money and spend more of it outside of Illinois…like the Cayman Islands…or international stocks

  2. Again…we should use this blog to put fees, salaries, and contracts that the state and city pay…..the Freedom of Information Act should allow the public to see what the law firms, advertising agencies, banks are getting from our tax dollars….

  3. Joanie we didn’t work together but the politicians know what happened—they used the system to court money and thereby votes in order to stay in office—in other words self-serving behavior. There are people that do feel an obligation to their fellow man and do not resent paying according to their ability and realize we are all dependent upon each other as fellow humans. Fred’s numbers say it all as far as taxes go. Sen. Kennedy’s question on the senate floor needs to be addressed….”When does the greed stop?”

  4. It’s like the neighbor who goes into foreclosure because he spends his money on parties, cars, vacations and other luxuries – not because he lost his job. Do you want to pay for his mortgage? That is what the state is asking you to do. They spent your pension money on projects that would get them re-elected and now they want to be let out of their obligations.

  5. Delurking to say, Kudos to you Joanie, for asking a question you had to suspect would give you answers outside of your comfort zone. It takes courage to open oneself up to new ideas.

    I learned that at a PTA meeting once, quite by accident. New information helped me see something for the first time, something that conflicted with everything I had believed in up until that moment; in reaction, I got so dizzy that I had to put my head down on the table in front on me. Anna Freud supposedly said, All learning is overcoming resistance, and I think she was on to something.

    In answer to your original question, you are partly right. Our economic system does have a role for wealthy people to invest in businesses and new ventures but like everything else, there are matters of degrees. They don’t have to be as wealthy as they’ve become in the last few decades.

  6. (I’m starting again because the comment box started to do weird things).
    Anyway, the reason I usually give for why wealthy people should pay a hgher rate in taxes is that they benefit from “the system” more than the rest of us. As an example, let’s take Bill Gates.

    He may be a very smart businessman and a good engineer but he wouldn’t have made as much money as he did without everything “the system” has provided him: patent and copyright laws to protect his ideas and the court system to make sure those rights are honored; a transportation system (roads, etc.) that allows him to distribute his products far and wide; law enforcement that protects those goods-in-transit from pirates (yes, there are still pirates in this world but not in places with robust police forces); and I could go on and on, but I’ll just add, And then there’s the internet, and let you imagine some more examples.

    What you say, didn’t I benefit from all those things, too? Yes, but not to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. Now it should be Bill’s (and his Illinois counterparts’) turn to even the score.

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